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	<description>I am a paramedic who works for an organ procurement organization in the wilds of Kentucky.  I am also a husband and a father.  Occasionally I fancy myself to be a writer, hence the blog.  You are welcome to witness this train wreck but the experience can be disorienting.  Don&#039;t go swimming for at least thirty minutes.</description>
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		<title>Comment on HOW TO KILL SOMEONE PROPERLY by joanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 19:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy cow! I was looking up info on GABA receptors because of my tremors and ran into this article,I had no idea. With the pancuronium suffocating, and the potassium chloride, I can see where it would not be necessary. That must be why some people see lethal injection as inhumane?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy cow! I was looking up info on GABA receptors because of my tremors and ran into this article,I had no idea. With the pancuronium suffocating, and the potassium chloride, I can see where it would not be necessary. That must be why some people see lethal injection as inhumane?!</p>
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		<title>Comment on DEFEND YOURSELF by Fatesrider</title>
		<link>http://gomerville.com/2011/08/03/defend-yourself/comment-page-1/#comment-2037</link>
		<dc:creator>Fatesrider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 00:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing worth noting is why we have a Second Amendment: &quot;A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the
right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.&quot; 

It never was about defending one&#039;s self or home, but of defending the country at a time when the United States didn&#039;t have the funds to keep a large defensive standing army.

The tradition of mandatory weapons ownership and proficiency goes back to the days of the longbow in England.  Every able-bodied man between twelve and sixty was required to own and practice with a longbow in the very likely event that the kingdom was invaded or their services otherwise needed for a war.  That tradition went forward until modern times when private ownership of guns was severely curtailed - and the crime rates went down in England.

Today, a bunch of yahoos standing around with their OTC weapons in defense of the country (or more likely thinking about fighting against it) can be taken out from twenty miles away by a Predator drone or one round of artillery.  The government has bigger, better guns. Private citizens don&#039;t need them.

I have read a lot of stories where someone picks up a gun to shoot at someone else, but never have they successfully defended their own home before being robbed, beaten or nearly killed - at least not since 1978.  I&#039;m sure it happens, but in a country where over a million Americans have died by firearms (murder, suicide, accident, etc) since 1978 all for the sake of an Amendment which is no longer necessary (The U.S. can afford a large standing army today and doesn&#039;t even want people to bring their own weapons to war with them), one would think the people would get tired of headlines in which a depressed family member slaughters the entire family and themselves with the gun they bought for &quot;home protection&quot;.

Given the number of times that kind of tragedy happens (pretty much daily), versus the number of times defending the home happens (almost never), the whole fallacy of owning a gun for home or personal protection pretty much falls apart.

Were it up to me, I&#039;d ban the ownership of all single-handed guns and constitutionally define &quot;arms&quot; as, &quot;a non-breach-loading, non-cartridge using, firearm, no less than 36 inches long, capable of an average rate of fire no greater than four rounds per minute.&quot;  That way hunters would be able to hunt and the home would be defended the way homes were back then - with a muzzle loader.  They make excellent clubs once the gun&#039;s been fired.

MY personal home defense weapon is a Wakizashi.  The Katana I also have is a bit long for home defense.  I have not had the occasion to use either of them on real people, but I can cut a pig&#039;s head off in a single stroke with both of them.  (Obviously, I&#039;m not a pacifist!)

My feeling about guns is that they&#039;re not terribly useful.  If a person has to have a gun to feel safe or to defend themselves, they need to turn on their man-card and join the long line of cowards hiding behind a hunk of metal bathed in the blood of more Americans than have died in all of our wars combined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing worth noting is why we have a Second Amendment: &#8220;A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the<br />
right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.&#8221; </p>
<p>It never was about defending one&#8217;s self or home, but of defending the country at a time when the United States didn&#8217;t have the funds to keep a large defensive standing army.</p>
<p>The tradition of mandatory weapons ownership and proficiency goes back to the days of the longbow in England.  Every able-bodied man between twelve and sixty was required to own and practice with a longbow in the very likely event that the kingdom was invaded or their services otherwise needed for a war.  That tradition went forward until modern times when private ownership of guns was severely curtailed &#8211; and the crime rates went down in England.</p>
<p>Today, a bunch of yahoos standing around with their OTC weapons in defense of the country (or more likely thinking about fighting against it) can be taken out from twenty miles away by a Predator drone or one round of artillery.  The government has bigger, better guns. Private citizens don&#8217;t need them.</p>
<p>I have read a lot of stories where someone picks up a gun to shoot at someone else, but never have they successfully defended their own home before being robbed, beaten or nearly killed &#8211; at least not since 1978.  I&#8217;m sure it happens, but in a country where over a million Americans have died by firearms (murder, suicide, accident, etc) since 1978 all for the sake of an Amendment which is no longer necessary (The U.S. can afford a large standing army today and doesn&#8217;t even want people to bring their own weapons to war with them), one would think the people would get tired of headlines in which a depressed family member slaughters the entire family and themselves with the gun they bought for &#8220;home protection&#8221;.</p>
<p>Given the number of times that kind of tragedy happens (pretty much daily), versus the number of times defending the home happens (almost never), the whole fallacy of owning a gun for home or personal protection pretty much falls apart.</p>
<p>Were it up to me, I&#8217;d ban the ownership of all single-handed guns and constitutionally define &#8220;arms&#8221; as, &#8220;a non-breach-loading, non-cartridge using, firearm, no less than 36 inches long, capable of an average rate of fire no greater than four rounds per minute.&#8221;  That way hunters would be able to hunt and the home would be defended the way homes were back then &#8211; with a muzzle loader.  They make excellent clubs once the gun&#8217;s been fired.</p>
<p>MY personal home defense weapon is a Wakizashi.  The Katana I also have is a bit long for home defense.  I have not had the occasion to use either of them on real people, but I can cut a pig&#8217;s head off in a single stroke with both of them.  (Obviously, I&#8217;m not a pacifist!)</p>
<p>My feeling about guns is that they&#8217;re not terribly useful.  If a person has to have a gun to feel safe or to defend themselves, they need to turn on their man-card and join the long line of cowards hiding behind a hunk of metal bathed in the blood of more Americans than have died in all of our wars combined.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CAPITALISM WITHOUT CONSUMERS by Jralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well spoken and not because I have been saying the same for years! These things are elemental and it is depressing that our culture has for the most part become so anti-intellectual that it can&#039;t get to it. What&#039;s even more frighten is that there are many who are aware but choose to ignore the reality.  

Man, what a soup sandwich! Don&#039;t want to do crack because I&#039;ll probably like it. I guess I&#039;ll just give in to the hope of the hopeless and buy a 40 oz., a lottery ticket and keep up with the Kardashians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well spoken and not because I have been saying the same for years! These things are elemental and it is depressing that our culture has for the most part become so anti-intellectual that it can&#8217;t get to it. What&#8217;s even more frighten is that there are many who are aware but choose to ignore the reality.  </p>
<p>Man, what a soup sandwich! Don&#8217;t want to do crack because I&#8217;ll probably like it. I guess I&#8217;ll just give in to the hope of the hopeless and buy a 40 oz., a lottery ticket and keep up with the Kardashians.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WALK IT OFF by Danimal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danimal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it took a massive injury that could well have paralyzed you, plus 25+ years of pain, to realize that perhaps a game called frikkin&#039; &lt;b&gt;back board dodge&lt;/b&gt; might not have been all that good??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it took a massive injury that could well have paralyzed you, plus 25+ years of pain, to realize that perhaps a game called frikkin&#8217; <b>back board dodge</b> might not have been all that good??</p>
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		<title>Comment on DEFEND YOURSELF by Dallan007</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dallan007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 05:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting question: how many of the reported incidents could have been resolved without a gun?  How many were legitimate threats as opposed to perceived ones?  Scaring off a drunk or an unarmed break and enter might not require a firearm.  Also, there were only about 600 justifiable homicides in 2010, (including law enforcement), so it seems there&#039;s a lot more threatening going on than actual shooting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting question: how many of the reported incidents could have been resolved without a gun?  How many were legitimate threats as opposed to perceived ones?  Scaring off a drunk or an unarmed break and enter might not require a firearm.  Also, there were only about 600 justifiable homicides in 2010, (including law enforcement), so it seems there&#8217;s a lot more threatening going on than actual shooting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on RETARDATION VS. IGNORANCE by Russ Hudson</title>
		<link>http://gomerville.com/2010/03/15/retardation-vs-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-2033</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2011 07:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem here is this: retarded, ignorant, or otherwise, we can&#039;t help everyone; not everyone wants help and some that do don&#039;t deserve it.  Sadly, some are beyond help, and you&#039;d be surprised which group these often fall under . . .  

In the case of your elderly patient, it seems like your efforts were wasted - as well as the efforts of the hospital and staff - when the patient was deposited back in his own filth.  A great deal of resources and tax dollars went into this useless &quot;transaction.&quot; 

But would classifying this man as retarded have solved anything?  A life of institutionalization - albeit a clean one?  

Can a retarded person also be ignorant?  Where is the line drawn?        

Ultimately, the answer can be found in some of the training you received in your career: identifying those who are most likely to survive and adapt.  

The problem is that we&#039;re too bound by weak-willed legislation and illogical elements of a spineless morality that just won&#039;t allow otherwise intelligent people to make such distinctions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem here is this: retarded, ignorant, or otherwise, we can&#8217;t help everyone; not everyone wants help and some that do don&#8217;t deserve it.  Sadly, some are beyond help, and you&#8217;d be surprised which group these often fall under . . .  </p>
<p>In the case of your elderly patient, it seems like your efforts were wasted &#8211; as well as the efforts of the hospital and staff &#8211; when the patient was deposited back in his own filth.  A great deal of resources and tax dollars went into this useless &#8220;transaction.&#8221; </p>
<p>But would classifying this man as retarded have solved anything?  A life of institutionalization &#8211; albeit a clean one?  </p>
<p>Can a retarded person also be ignorant?  Where is the line drawn?        </p>
<p>Ultimately, the answer can be found in some of the training you received in your career: identifying those who are most likely to survive and adapt.  </p>
<p>The problem is that we&#8217;re too bound by weak-willed legislation and illogical elements of a spineless morality that just won&#8217;t allow otherwise intelligent people to make such distinctions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CAPITALISM WITHOUT CONSUMERS by hilinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>hilinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 00:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo!!
But you&#039;re right, no one will listen.  Or if they listen- they won&#039;t change. Change is hard, and inconvenient.
People change when changing is easier than not changing- and that is what scares me most. Things have to change. What is going to make that happen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo!!<br />
But you&#8217;re right, no one will listen.  Or if they listen- they won&#8217;t change. Change is hard, and inconvenient.<br />
People change when changing is easier than not changing- and that is what scares me most. Things have to change. What is going to make that happen?</p>
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		<title>Comment on DEFEND YOURSELF by Buckman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buckman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 02:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He had an old truck...</description>
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		<title>Comment on DEFEND YOURSELF by Greg Friese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Friese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 01:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know cars still had ash trays.</description>
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		<title>Comment on DEFEND YOURSELF by Buckman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buckman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 00:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This 2.5 million number of defended without a shot fired comes from the research of Gary Kleck who I mentioned in a previous comment.  I was actually mulling this over today.  Kleck argues that most studies prior to his only counted defense incidents where shots were fired or incidents where someone was killed.  Kleck would argue that many robberies are thwarted by displaying your firearm and scaring the would-be attacker.  This is interesting to me from several aspects.  There is one school of thought (one I happen to agree with, and one that is taught in many hand gun classes) that dictates that if you pull out a gun, you better be killing someone with it.  Why would anyone adopt this policy?  Well, if you pull out a deadly weapon, you must need that level of force to defend yourself.  If you show this to your attacker, and you don’t use it, you are merely introducing another weapon to the fight that may be used by anyone including the attacker who takes it away from you.

And as it happens, I have recently heard a story about how a co-worker (actually someone who was fired from my place of employment) who threatened a homeless man with a handgun.  As the story goes, he was driving slowly down the alley in back of our workplace when a homeless man jumped onto the running board of his truck and reached in to steal change out of the ashtray.  This was a bold and stupid maneuver to say the least.  My co-worker pulled a gun out of his glove compartment and stuck it in the mans face, demanding his change back, and making the man get off of his car.  People laugh about this incident, but when it was told to me I had a different take that was not popular among my peers.  (As usual.)  I said the following:

“So a homeless guy was trying to steal some change, and he threatened him with death?  That’s the dumbest thing I have ever heard.  What it the guy grabbed the gun and tried to wrestle it away from him?  Then he is there, trying to drive down and alley and keep a deadly weapon from being taken from him.  For what?  Change?  That’s just stupid.  As soon as he pulled out that gun, there was no good outcome to that situation if the homeless dude decided to resist.  What if he had actually shot that guy in the face?  What would the police do to you for killing a guy over some change?  That whole situation was pointless.”

They asked me what I would have done.

“I would have just accelerated until he fell off the car if I thought he was dangerous.  Or maybe just kicked open the door.  Or…how about this…let the sad fucker have the change and laugh it off while I drove away.  I’m living in the same world you all are living in, and I have had plenty of similar things happen.  I have never felt the need to use a gun to guard the precious change in my car’s ashtray.”

And so…I didn’t count this event when I was thinking about people I knew who had defended themselves because I didn’t think it was an APPROPRIATE mode of defense.  Which brings up a criticism I have with Kleck’s argument.  I could probably go up and ask any number of ‘countrified Kentuckians’ if they ever have used a gun to defend themselves.  Would I ever hear that they woke up to some masked intruder in their home?  Or would I hear a bunch of stories of peppering the neighbor’s kids asses with rock salt after some episode of cow tipping?  Or threatening a homeless dude with death to save the change in their ashtray?

Study idea!  We need a large survey of gun owners.  We need to come up with an objective set of criteria for judging whether or not the threat of deadly force was necessary given a set of circumstances.  Cops have to do this all the time.  So we may be able to start with something like the cops use and modify it for private gun owners.  Then every time we get a positive for gun use in self defense, we apply the criteria to see if the use of a gun was appropriate in that context.  I would love to see those numbers.  If Kleck is right, he is right.  But my hypothesis is that the average gun owner is just itching for a reason to skin that smoke wagon so he or she can feel like a big shot.  The study should also include all instances that subjects can recall when self defense was needed.  Did other people have similar experiences, and were they able to solve those without a deadly weapon.  As I said…I encounter annoying and invasive homeless people all the time.  I don’t need a gun to get rid of them.  The questionnaire could stratify people as far as education level and political affiliation as well.  Are Republicans with low education levels more likely to threaten violence to solve a dispute then someone else?  I think I will stop this comment before really pissing someone off…but I want to see those numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This 2.5 million number of defended without a shot fired comes from the research of Gary Kleck who I mentioned in a previous comment.  I was actually mulling this over today.  Kleck argues that most studies prior to his only counted defense incidents where shots were fired or incidents where someone was killed.  Kleck would argue that many robberies are thwarted by displaying your firearm and scaring the would-be attacker.  This is interesting to me from several aspects.  There is one school of thought (one I happen to agree with, and one that is taught in many hand gun classes) that dictates that if you pull out a gun, you better be killing someone with it.  Why would anyone adopt this policy?  Well, if you pull out a deadly weapon, you must need that level of force to defend yourself.  If you show this to your attacker, and you don’t use it, you are merely introducing another weapon to the fight that may be used by anyone including the attacker who takes it away from you.</p>
<p>And as it happens, I have recently heard a story about how a co-worker (actually someone who was fired from my place of employment) who threatened a homeless man with a handgun.  As the story goes, he was driving slowly down the alley in back of our workplace when a homeless man jumped onto the running board of his truck and reached in to steal change out of the ashtray.  This was a bold and stupid maneuver to say the least.  My co-worker pulled a gun out of his glove compartment and stuck it in the mans face, demanding his change back, and making the man get off of his car.  People laugh about this incident, but when it was told to me I had a different take that was not popular among my peers.  (As usual.)  I said the following:</p>
<p>“So a homeless guy was trying to steal some change, and he threatened him with death?  That’s the dumbest thing I have ever heard.  What it the guy grabbed the gun and tried to wrestle it away from him?  Then he is there, trying to drive down and alley and keep a deadly weapon from being taken from him.  For what?  Change?  That’s just stupid.  As soon as he pulled out that gun, there was no good outcome to that situation if the homeless dude decided to resist.  What if he had actually shot that guy in the face?  What would the police do to you for killing a guy over some change?  That whole situation was pointless.”</p>
<p>They asked me what I would have done.</p>
<p>“I would have just accelerated until he fell off the car if I thought he was dangerous.  Or maybe just kicked open the door.  Or…how about this…let the sad fucker have the change and laugh it off while I drove away.  I’m living in the same world you all are living in, and I have had plenty of similar things happen.  I have never felt the need to use a gun to guard the precious change in my car’s ashtray.”</p>
<p>And so…I didn’t count this event when I was thinking about people I knew who had defended themselves because I didn’t think it was an APPROPRIATE mode of defense.  Which brings up a criticism I have with Kleck’s argument.  I could probably go up and ask any number of ‘countrified Kentuckians’ if they ever have used a gun to defend themselves.  Would I ever hear that they woke up to some masked intruder in their home?  Or would I hear a bunch of stories of peppering the neighbor’s kids asses with rock salt after some episode of cow tipping?  Or threatening a homeless dude with death to save the change in their ashtray?</p>
<p>Study idea!  We need a large survey of gun owners.  We need to come up with an objective set of criteria for judging whether or not the threat of deadly force was necessary given a set of circumstances.  Cops have to do this all the time.  So we may be able to start with something like the cops use and modify it for private gun owners.  Then every time we get a positive for gun use in self defense, we apply the criteria to see if the use of a gun was appropriate in that context.  I would love to see those numbers.  If Kleck is right, he is right.  But my hypothesis is that the average gun owner is just itching for a reason to skin that smoke wagon so he or she can feel like a big shot.  The study should also include all instances that subjects can recall when self defense was needed.  Did other people have similar experiences, and were they able to solve those without a deadly weapon.  As I said…I encounter annoying and invasive homeless people all the time.  I don’t need a gun to get rid of them.  The questionnaire could stratify people as far as education level and political affiliation as well.  Are Republicans with low education levels more likely to threaten violence to solve a dispute then someone else?  I think I will stop this comment before really pissing someone off…but I want to see those numbers.</p>
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